Today Europe is living with the consequences of
unprecedented US/NATO aggression against the former Yugoslavia 15 years
ago. The invasion and destruction of Yugoslavia, the first war in Europe
since WWII, resolved nothing in the Balkans but created many new
problems. Most importantly it was precedent setting event and a
blueprint for the following US/NATO aggressive wars in Afghanistan,
Libya, Iraq, Mali and other locations which have been the victims of
US/NATO led endless war and aggression. These crimes against humanity
have not been only military in nature but also clandestine, such as what
we are seeing in Ukraine, Syria and Venezuela today. The West has had
only objective: the domination of the world by the US/NATO and its
surrogates.
This
is John Robles, I'm speaking with ŽivadinJovanović. He is the former
Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia and the Chairman of the Belgrade Forum
for a World of Equals. This is part two of a longer interview. You can
find the rest of this interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com
Robles:
Can I ask you now two questions? What is your opinion on the actions of
the Russian government and in particular the Russian president Vladimir
Putin? Do you think this historic moment is a turning point in the
state of geopolitics in the world today?
Jovanović:
Yes, indeed I believe so. If 1999 NATO/US led aggression against
Yugoslavia was a turning point toward globalization of interventionism,
toward militarization of European and international relations. It was a
turning point in strategy of global domination of the West, then I think
Ukrainian case and the Crimean referendum to reunite with Russia is
another kind of turning point.
This I consider to be
turning point towards multi-polar world relations, toward resisting the
policy of domination of the West. It is to my belief a historically
important turning point opening the hope for democratization of world
relations opening the space for real respect of universal principals of
international law and universal principal of international relations.
I
would believe that this is a turning point toward a higher respect of
universal organizations such as United Nations and toward respecting of
the basic principles of UN Charter. And I think it is turning point
toward abandoning the policy of double standards and disregard of the
legitimate interests of other countries.
It is simply the beginning I think for the relieving Europe and the world of the threats of domination from one side only.
Robles:
You mentioned sanctions, the rights of other countries, a few minutes
ago you mentioned Al Qaeda. They were created by the US, the US is using
them as their non-state army whenever they need them as their mercenary
force. Al Qaeda is listed and they are sanctioned by the UN as being a
terrorist organization. What is your opinion on other countries now
sanctioning the US, for example: for Guantanamo, for aggressive war, for
meddling into the affairs of Ukraine, for meddling into the affairs of
Serbia, for redesigning the borders in Europe after WWII? I mean all of
those things are illegal. What about sanctions on the US? Do you think
there will be some time when countries might be calling for sanctions?
Jovanović:
It is obvious that the US disrespects international law, that they
disrespect international principles of international organizations. They
take all those like tools to suit the interests of the US. The US is a
big power but it is disregarding the interests of Europe, disregarding
the interests of Russia and other big and responsible countries.
I
think for the beginning we should discourage and put some limitations
to expansionist policy and disregard of other countries’ interests on
the part of the US.
It would be necessary to unite the
countries and nations struggling for democratization of international
relations, struggling against interventionism and against expansionist
imperialist policy of NATO, EU, and the US. And certainly I think this
should be requiring serious efforts on the part of wide international
community, especially the countries like Russia, China, India, like
countries of BRICS and so on.
I think Russia should do
well to call upon BRICS countries and Shanghai Association countries to
consider new situation brought about by expansionist policy of the US,
NATO and EU. This is touching the interests of Russia right now, but
from a principled point of view it is a policy questioning interests of
the world community, it is the question whether we should enter an era
of democratic international relations or we should be silent and accept a
policy of expansion and a policy of domination.
Robles:
Last two questions and then we are going to have to finish up. Can you
give us your forecast on where you see the situation in Ukraine going?
What do you think is going to happen withUkraine? Can you tell us about,
you have a very important conference coming up on March, 24th, it is
the Fifteenth Year Anniversary of the initial bombing of Yugoslavia that
had begun I think most of this lawlessness and aggressive war? Tell us,
please, about the conference that is coming up.
Jovanović:
We all hope that a political solution will be found for the crisis in
Ukraine. To have political solution I think NATO should abandon idea of
forcing Ukraine to become a member of NATO. Ukraine should be treated as
a country to make its own decisions and to be let alone from the
Western interference, from the Western pressures and so on.
I
believe that it is primarily in the interests of Europe including the
EU to find out a modus vivendi with Russia and to accept substantial
dialogue between Brussels and Moscow.
It is my strong
belief that long term interests of Europe require stability of
Brussels/Moscow relationship and it really requires more independent and
pro-independent position and behavior of Europe. In this regard I would
underline importance of dialogue between Moscow and Berlin which is
certainly, as far as Germany is concerned, a leading EU country. And no
doubt that among all European countries Germany has the greatest
interest for stable relations with Russia. I think that it is possible.
Otherwise
if Germany and EU pursue the policy of acting on behalf of the US
interests I think it will be very bad not only for Ukraine but for
Europe in general. And it would further lead to a profound long term
European crisis.
I think there should be a lot of
wisdom applied to avoid disintegration of Ukraine. It is one of
perspectives, but that could be, I think, avoided by rational and
principled policy without any threats or blackmails addressed to Moscow.
Moscow
I don’t believe will bound to blackmailing from the West. It is
certainly another type of power now than in 1999. Now about Ukraine, I
would be a realist, it is very serious, it cannot be predicted with all
certainty but certainly there is a possibility to find a political
solution in the interests of stability of European continent. Nobody
needs further destabilization and creation of situation of further arms
race or disturbing development and profounding the socioeconomic crisis
which is reigning in major parts of Europe.
As far as
our conference is concerned, we have already mentioned, these days
exactly from 21st to 25th of March the Belgrade Forum with a number of
other independent nonpartisan associations organizes a big international
gathering in Belgrade under the theme: ‘Global Peace Instead of Global
Confrontation and Global Imperialism’. And it is devoted to Fifteenth
Anniversary of NATO aggression, it is in memory of thousands of our
citizens who were killed, in memory of hundreds of thousands of refugees
and displaced persons from Kosovo and from other parts of former
Yugoslavia.
We shall try that this event should not be
only of memorial character, we should try to answer from now on what
should be the task of peace loving forces in Europe and in the world? In
this regard I think we all first of all should struggle for the truth
about Yugoslav crisis, struggle further for the true presentation of
NATO aggression in 1999 which was the first European war after the WWII.
We should try to spread the notion and information that this was the
war not against Yugoslavia or Serbia and Montenegro only, it was really
the war against Europe and strangely enough the war against Europe
participated by Europe.
It was also one turning point
when Europe was recognizing not to have its own strategy and
independence. I think there were European countries which joined the US
not thinking any further what will be further development, what will be
further consequences. There were other countries which entered the war
against Yugoslavia for their revanchist aims, revanchist philosophy and
there were simply smaller countries which didn’t have any kind of
independence, which only had to listen what was the call from the US and
to obey.
Anyway today we can see what kind of problems
this NATO aggression 15 years ago has brought to Europe. Nothing has
been resolved in the Balkans but many problems have been opened in
Europe and in the world. A precedent was made, a blueprint for NATO
interventions in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, in Mali, and everywhere
else.
And it is not really only to speak about
military interventions because although they are the most tragic event
but it is also to speak about interventions of clandestine nature,
interventions like in Syria, like in Venezuela now, like in Ukraine now
and so on.
And we can really see that all those
interventions had one objective and still have one objective –
domination of leading Western powers, first of all of the US in the
world. And this is the danger really because those who should be victims
of domination do not accept such a position, they are ready to fight.
And
from this fact that the West doesn’t change colonial attitudes,
imperial attitudes as strategy and the rest of the world not accepting
to be victim of such an imperial policy I think this may lead to either
confrontation and that is why all the forces of peace should join hands
and stop this imperial policy endangering nowadays civilization.
We
will have friends from all over the world, from about 60 countries in
Europe and from other continents will be our guests and will be speakers
at the conference. We will have a difficulty to accommodate all the
people who will voice in favor of peace, who will support
multi-polarization and democratization of the world relations.
You
were listening to part 2 of an interview with ŽivadinJovanovic, the
former Foreign Minister of Yugoslavia. He is also the Chairman of the
Belgrade Forum for a World of Equals. You can find the rest of this
interview on our website at voiceofrussia.com. Thanks for listening and
we wish you the best.
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